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Nephilim: Angels cannot make babies!

Genesis 6, verse 2 ''the sons of God seeing the daughters of men, that they were fair, took to themselves wives of all which they chose''.

The Sons of God are not angels!

Epistle to the Hebrews 1:5

For to which of the angels did God ever say:

“You are my son; this day I have begotten you”?

Or again:

“I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me”?

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Sons of God= Not angels= Men= Adam & Eve and their children= Us.
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Event B = Daughters of men= Monsters created by men are breeding with men, the result is visible in the skulls classified as Homo Ergaster, Homo Erectus, etc.= Recent history.

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Implied Event A= Men impregnating female monkeys= Creation of monsters.
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Verse 4, not the exact same event described in verse 2!

Event C = Genesis 6 verse 4 Now, giants were upon the earth in those days. For after the sons of God went into the daughters of men, and they brought forth children, these are the mighty men of old, men of renown.
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Here is the solution: Event C= For a third time there's sinful breeding (1. Men with female monkeys 2. Men with female monsters 3. Men with the female offspring of female monsters).

The result of Event C is oversized, powerful monsters, looking more like men than like apes. Their (recent) bones are (wrongly) classified as Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Denisova (my picture of the 3 skulls).

They were probably used for fighting and for hard work (moving big stones), and maybe some of them were living into the wild.

This text is an answer to @FilipekK K and the video Biblical story of the Nephilim and consequences of…

The video starts well, but then they wrongly put the angels in their interpretation.

Then, they say that all humanity was corrupted, instead, let's say that ape DNA was a danger for God's plan and His creation because the monsters didn't have eternal souls, and God could not allow them to cancel the spiritual existence of Men.

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It seems that my text is not clear, so I will add these two comments:

Maria Lylyander
So monkeys are the daughters of men?

Adrien
We are the sons and daughters of God.

Men performing bestiality with female monkeys, generated a first kind of ''daughters of men''(monsters number 1) they are not daughters of God, and they only exist because of the will of men, opposed to the Will of God.

They (monsters number 1) are mentioned in Genesis 6:2.

With them, men are creating a second type of monsters, monsters number 2. This last event is the one described in Genesis 6:2.

Then in Genesis 6:4 a 3ʳᵈ kind of monsters (monsters number 3) are made by a new round of breeding between men and female monsters number 2.

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Jeffrey Ade
Thank you for that! I understand the Fathers of the Church to say "the Sons of God, "to be the offspring of Seth, and the "daughters of men," to be the others that were not righteous. It is conjecture to find a deeper significance than the simple fact, "[4] "Giants": It is likely the generality of men before the flood were of a gigantic stature in comparison with what men now are. But these here …More
Thank you for that! I understand the Fathers of the Church to say "the Sons of God, "to be the offspring of Seth, and the "daughters of men," to be the others that were not righteous. It is conjecture to find a deeper significance than the simple fact, "[4] "Giants": It is likely the generality of men before the flood were of a gigantic stature in comparison with what men now are. But these here spoken of are called giants, as being not only tall in stature, but violent and savage in their dispositions, and mere monsters of cruelty and lust." Mankind lived longer and hence were naturally bigger.
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Reply to FilipekK K and his video: Biblical story of the Nephilim
Adrien
@occasnltrvlr Answering your last two comments.
My text is far for being supported solely by Hebrews 1:5, but also by the discovery of loads of skulls, skeletons, bones, and bone fragments.
''There's nothing new under the sun, so wouldn't this be happening now?'' Answer: Yes, the existence of certain skulls and the falsity of the Darwinian theory of evolution can be seen as evidence for my claims. …More
@occasnltrvlr Answering your last two comments.

My text is far for being supported solely by Hebrews 1:5, but also by the discovery of loads of skulls, skeletons, bones, and bone fragments.

''There's nothing new under the sun, so wouldn't this be happening now?'' Answer: Yes, the existence of certain skulls and the falsity of the Darwinian theory of evolution can be seen as evidence for my claims.

Look at this picture, it is a shortcut and it first skull may not be the right one (according to my humble opinion), but it gives an idea.
Adrien
@occasnltrvlr This could be an example of a blend composed of a female chimp, and a man (therefore a first round of breeding).
occasnltrvlr
@Adrien Thank you, Adrien, for your reply to my comments.
There is one thing that I still don't quite see. Is there evidence, today of the implied "Event A"?
What I mean specifically is this: today, now, are there any living, breathing, flesh-and-blood offspring of current-day acts of bestiality between men and non-human mammals?
If not, what is different between our time and the time written of …More
@Adrien Thank you, Adrien, for your reply to my comments.

There is one thing that I still don't quite see. Is there evidence, today of the implied "Event A"?

What I mean specifically is this: today, now, are there any living, breathing, flesh-and-blood offspring of current-day acts of bestiality between men and non-human mammals?

If not, what is different between our time and the time written of in Genesis 6 that would have made such a hybrid present then, but absent now?
Adrien
@occasnltrvlr You are welcome!
There is one thing that I still don't quite see. Is there evidence, today, of the implied "Event A"?
Yes, the many remains of their bodies, that is why I added the last picture up there.
What I mean specifically is this: today, now, are there any living, breathing, flesh-and-blood offspring of current-day acts of bestiality between men and non-human mammals?
Not that …More
@occasnltrvlr You are welcome!

There is one thing that I still don't quite see. Is there evidence, today, of the implied "Event A"?

Yes, the many remains of their bodies, that is why I added the last picture up there.

What I mean specifically is this: today, now, are there any living, breathing, flesh-and-blood offspring of current-day acts of bestiality between men and non-human mammals?

Not that I can see, but I think there are some of them in facilities, hidden from public knowledge.

If not, what is different between our time and the time written of in Genesis 6 that would have made such a hybrid present then, but absent now?

I think there are some genetic corruptions in certain population, but from when, I don’t know (this process is repeatable as long as there are chimps and men on earth), certainly not from the first biblical Nephilim. I will put a picture at the end showing a striking resemblance between a Nephilim (or close to a Nephilim) and a modern Australian.

God killed the Nephilim with the flood because they were incompatible with His plan, and to prevent the corruption of the whole humanity.

After the flood, when a first generation of initial monsters were re-created, and were genetically disseminated into several generations during a couple of centuries, God found a way to eliminate the people partially genetically corrupted by even a somewhat small degree of simian ancestry.

Step 1: the flood.

Step2: another extermination.

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Step 1: the flood
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Genesis 6

The Nephilim appeared on earth in those days, as well as later, after the sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of human beings, who bore them sons. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

5 When the LORD saw how great the wickedness of human beings was on earth, and how every desire that their heart conceived was always nothing but evil,

the LORD regretted making human beings on the earth, and his heart was grieved.

7 So the LORD said: I will wipe out from the earth the human beings I have created, and not only the human beings, but also the animals and the crawling things and the birds of the air, for I regret that I made them.

But Noah found favor with the LORD.

9 These are the descendants of Noah.

Noah was a righteous man.

tā·mîm in his generation;

*(תָּמִ֥ים tā·mîm is an adjective used repeatedly to describe an animal without defect of any type. Perfect conformation, perfect skin, fur etc. It refers only to the body, employed also for men, it means the same thing, also not having a curved spine (vertebral column). By extension, one can mean a man standing upright, very straight; like in Samuel and Psalms.

So, scholars are deducting that such individual in this context is not ashamed of himself or blameless.

Therefore, my thinking is that the meaning tā·mîm may be lost in translation, and we must not rule out his fundamental meaning and accept the possibility that Noah had a normal human physical conformation; not corrupted by simian DNA, especially since the Nephilim are mentioned just four verses before Genesis 6:9.)

Noah walked with God.

11 But the earth was corrupt in the view of God and full of lawlessness.

12 When God saw how corrupt the earth had become, since all mortals had corrupted their ways on earth,

13 God said to Noah: I see that the end of all mortals has come, for the earth is full of lawlessness because of them. So, I am going to destroy them with the earth.

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Step 2: another extermination
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Deuteronomy 7

1When the LORD, your God, brings you into the land which you are about to enter to possess, and removes many nations before you—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful than you—

2 and when the LORD, your God, gives them over to you, and you defeat them, you shall put them under the ban (original Hebrew: utterly destroy them). Make no covenant with them, and do not be gracious to them.

3 You shall not intermarry with them, neither giving your daughters to their sons nor taking their daughters for your sons.

Deuteronomy 12

29 When the LORD, your God, cuts down from before you the nations you are going in to dispossess, and you have dispossessed them and are settled in their land,

30 be careful that you not be trapped into following them after they have been destroyed before you. Do not inquire regarding their gods, “How did these nations serve their gods, so I might do the same.”

31 You shall not worship the LORD, your God, that way, because they offered to their gods every abomination that the LORD detests, even burning their sons and daughters to their gods.

Leviticus 18

The LORD said to Moses:

Speak to the Israelites and tell them: I, the LORD, am your God.

3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you once lived, nor shall you do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you; do not conform to their customs.

23 You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.

24 Do not defile yourselves by any of these things, because by them the nations whom I am driving out of your way have defiled themselves.

25 And so the land has become defiled, and I have punished it for its wickedness, and the land has vomited out its inhabitants.

27 because the previous inhabitants did all these abominations, and the land became defiled;

28 otherwise the land will vomit you out also for having defiled it, just as it vomited out the nations before you.

29 For whoever does any of these abominations shall be cut off from the people.

30 Heed my charge, then, not to observe the abominable customs that have been observed before your time, and thus become impure by them. I, the LORD, am your God.

(note: I don’t think the Anakites are fictional just because they were giants, it is written that Joshua killed them.

We can observe the same phenomenon with the breeding of different species today even at the first generation: Lion + Tigress = Liger, they can measure between 9.8 – 12 ft (3 to 3.6 m) in length and weigh anywhere from 705 – 1,220 pounds (320 – 560 kg)!)

Professor Ronald S. Hendel:

‘’Another problem that Trimm glosses over is Joshua’s destruction of the indigenous giants of Canaan, called the Anakim, Nephilim, and other ethnonyms. Joshua 11:21 describes their utter destruction along with the people of Canaan. Trimm suggests that the annihilation of the Nephilim is not a moral problem. But is the destruction of fictional giants wholly different from the destruction of fictional Canaanites? There is clearly a moral difference between actual and fictional genocide, including monsters and humans.
A final critique is that Trimm does not address the one text where the biblical writers take a position on the moral problem of the destruction of the Canaanites: Deuteronomy 20. In his laws of war, Moses contrasts the total destruction of the Canaanites with the more compassionate rules for war against other peoples. The normal rule of war that applies to all the towns beyond the territory of Canaan is to first offer terms of peace (Deuteronomy 20:10). In Canaan, however, the Israelites are commanded to “not let anything that breathes remain alive” (Deuteronomy 20:15-16).’’


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‘’I will put a picture at the end showing a striking resemblance between…’’
occasnltrvlr
To put a little meat on this bone, is there any evidence of cross-species fertility between human beings and any other mammals, necessary for Implied Event A to happen?
There's nothing new under the sun, so wouldn't this be happening now?More
To put a little meat on this bone, is there any evidence of cross-species fertility between human beings and any other mammals, necessary for Implied Event A to happen?

There's nothing new under the sun, so wouldn't this be happening now?
occasnltrvlr
There is one flaw in this presentation, and that is using the epistle to the Hebrews as evidence that the phrase "sons of God" in Genesis 6 would exclude angels.
"This day I have begotten you" is only Jesus Christ. So if one uses this as the basis to exclude angels, then one must necessarily also exclude all other human beings as well.More
There is one flaw in this presentation, and that is using the epistle to the Hebrews as evidence that the phrase "sons of God" in Genesis 6 would exclude angels.

"This day I have begotten you" is only Jesus Christ. So if one uses this as the basis to exclude angels, then one must necessarily also exclude all other human beings as well.
Adrien
Angels are not the sons of God, this title is preëminently for the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, and also for us, human beings because Adam was created at the image of God, and no angel was created to His likeness.
John 20:17 Jesus said... ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’
Matthew 6:9 “This is how you are to pray: Our Father in heaven...''More
Angels are not the sons of God, this title is preëminently for the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, and also for us, human beings because Adam was created at the image of God, and no angel was created to His likeness.

John 20:17 Jesus said... ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’

Matthew 6:9 “This is how you are to pray: Our Father in heaven...''
occasnltrvlr
I'm not saying that angels can rightly be called sons of God. I'm only saying that the cited passage in Hebrews does not provide evidence that they are not.
"For unto which of the angels" [or to anyone but our Lord] "said he at any time, 'Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee'?"
So, in this passage, angels are excluded. But, God did not say that to any of us, either, so we also are excluded …More
I'm not saying that angels can rightly be called sons of God. I'm only saying that the cited passage in Hebrews does not provide evidence that they are not.

"For unto which of the angels" [or to anyone but our Lord] "said he at any time, 'Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee'?"

So, in this passage, angels are excluded. But, God did not say that to any of us, either, so we also are excluded from this passage.

Hence, looking only at this passage in Hebrews, one rightly concludes that no angel, nor anyone else, is the Only Begotten Son of God. But this passage does not say that angels are not sons of God, anymore than it says that we are not sons of God.
Live Mike
Cornelius a Lapide’s Great Commentary Caput Sextum, pdf p. 4-8
uanl.mx/la/1080014741_C/1080014741_T1/1080014741_21.pdf
Denis Efimov
St. John Chrysostom, St. Augustine and a number of other saints teach that the sons of God are the descendants of Seth, and the daughters of men are the descendants of Cain.
Adrien
They were right!
-The sons of God are not the angels.
-The ''daughters of men'' are at least primarily the descendants of Cain since he was the first man to commit bestiality with female monkeys after he started fleeing away from people and from God.More
They were right!

-The sons of God are not the angels.

-The ''daughters of men'' are at least primarily the descendants of Cain since he was the first man to commit bestiality with female monkeys after he started fleeing away from people and from God.
Maria Lylyander
So monkeys are the daughters of men? ? 🤔
Adrien
We are the sons and daughters of God.
Men performing bestiality with female monkeys, generated a first kind of ''daughters of men''(monsters number 1) they are not daughters of God and they only exist because of the will of men, opposed to the Will of God.
They (monsters number 1) are mentioned in Genesis 6:2.
With them, men are creating a second type of monsters, monsters number 2. This last event …More
We are the sons and daughters of God.

Men performing bestiality with female monkeys, generated a first kind of ''daughters of men''(monsters number 1) they are not daughters of God and they only exist because of the will of men, opposed to the Will of God.

They (monsters number 1) are mentioned in Genesis 6:2.

With them, men are creating a second type of monsters, monsters number 2. This last event is the one described in Genesis 6:2.

Then in Genesis 6:4 a 3ʳᵈ kind of monsters (monsters number 3) are made by a new round of breeding between men and female monsters number 2.